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Woo Woo Is a Step Ahead of (Bad) Science



It used to annoy me to be called the king of woo woo. For those who aren't familiar with the term, "woo woo" is a derogatory reference to almost any form of unconventional thinking, aimed by professional skeptics who  are self-appointed vigilantes dedicated to the suppression of curiosity.  I get labeled much worse things as regularly as clockwork whenever I disagree with big fry like Richard Dawkins or smaller fry like Michael Shermer, the Scientific American columnist and editor of Skeptic magazine. The latest barrage of name-calling occurred after the two of us had a spirited exchange on Larry King Livelast week. Maybe you saw it. I was the one rolling my eyes as Shermer spoke. Sorry about that, a spontaneous reflex of the involuntary nervous system.

 

Afterwards, however, I had an unpredictable reaction. I realized that I would much rather expound woo woo than the kind of bad science Shermer stands behind.  He has made skepticism his personal brand, more or less, sitting by the side of the road to denigrate "those people who believe in spirituality, ghosts, and so on," as he says on a YouTube video. No matter that this broad brush would tar not just the Pope, Mahatma Gandhi, St. Teresa of Avila, Buddha, and countless scientists who happen to    recognize a reality that transcends space and time. All are deemed irrational by the skeptical crowd. You would think that skeptics as a class have made significant contributions to science or the quality of life in their own right. Uh oh. No, they haven't. Their principal job is to reinforce the great ideas of yesterday while suppressing the great ideas of tomorrow.

 

Let me clear the slate with Shermer and forget the several times he has wiggled out of a public debate he was supposedly eager to have with me. I will ignore his recent blog in which his rebuttal of my position was relegated to a long letter from someone who obviously didn't possess English as a first language (would Shermer like to write a defense of his position in Hindi? It would read just as ludicrously if Hindi isn't his first language).

 

With the slate clear, I'd like to see if Shermer will accept the offer to debate me at length on such profound questions as the following:

 

·         Is there evidence for creativity and intelligence in the cosmos?

·         What is consciousness?

·         Do we have a core identity beyond our biology, mind, and ego?

·         Is there life after death? Does this identity outlive the molecules through which it expresses itself?

 

The rules will be simple. He can argue from any basis he chooses, and I will confine myself entirely to science. For we have reached the state where Shermer's tired, out-of-date, utterly mediocre science is far in arrears of the best, most open scientific thinkers -- actually, we reached that point sixty years ago when eminent physicists like Einstein, Wolfgang Pauli, Werner Heisenberg and Erwin Schrodinger applied quantum theory  to deep spiritual questions. The arrogance of skeptics is both high-handed and rusty. It is high-handed because they lump brilliant speculative thinkers into one black box known as woo woo. It is rusty because Shermer doesn't even bother to keep up with the latest findings in neuroscience, medicine, genetics, physics, and evolutionary biology.   All of these fields have opened fascinating new ground for speculation and imagination.  But the king of pooh-pooh is too busy chasing down imaginary woo woo.

 

Skeptics feel that they have won the high ground in matters concerning consciousness, mind, the origins of life, evolutionary theory, and brain science. This is far from the case. What they cling to is nineteenth- century materialism, packaged with a screeching hysteria about God and religion that is so passé it has become quaint. To suggest that Darwinian theory is incomplete and full of unproven hypotheses, causes Shermer, who takes Darwin as purely as a fundamentalist takes scripture, to see God everywhere in the enemy camp.

 

How silly.  Shermer is a former Christian fundamentalist who is now a fundamentalist about materialism; fundamentalists must have an absolute to believe in. Thus he forces himself into a corner, declaring that all spirituality is bogus, that the sense of self is an illusion, that the soul is ipso facto a fraud, that mind has no existence except in the brain, that intelligence emerged only when evolution, guided by random mutations, developed the cerebral cortex, that nothing invisible can be real compared to solid objects, and that any thought which ventures beyond the five senses for evidence must be dismissed without question.

 

I won't go into detail about the absurdity of such rigid thinking. However, the impulse behind dogmatic materialism seems intended to flatten one's opponents so thoroughly that through scorn and arrogance they must admit defeat, conceding that science is the complete refutation of all preceding religion, spirituality, psychology, myth, and philosophy -- in other words, any mode of gaining knowledge that arch materialism doesn't countenance.

 

I've baited this post with a few barbs to see if Shermer can be goaded into an actual public debate. I have avoided his and his  follower's underhanded methods, whereby an opponent is attacked ad hominem as an idiot, moron, and other choice epithets that in his world are the mainstays of rational argument.  And the point of such a debate? To further public knowledge about the actual frontiers of science, which has always depended on wonder, awe, imagination, and speculation.  Petty science of the Shermer brand scorns such things, but the greatest discoveries have been anchored on them. 

 

 If you are tempted to think that I have taken the weaker side and that materialism long ago won this debate, let me end with a piece of utterly nonsensical woo woo:

 

"Nobody understands how decisions are made or how imagination is set free. What consciousness consists of, or how it should be defined, is equally puzzling.  Despite the marvelous success of neuroscience in the past century, we seem as far from understanding cognitive processes as we were a century ago."

 

That isn't a quote from "one of those people who believe in spirituality, ghosts, and so on." It's from Sir John Maddox, former editor-in-chief of the renowned scientific journal Nature, writing in 1999.  I can't wait for Shermer to call him an idiot and a moron.  Don't worry, he won't. He'll find an  artful way of slithering to higher ground where all the other skeptics are huddled.

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Comments (144)
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Posted by Bob Ellal
I consider myself a skeptic. That being said, I believe in the mind/body connection based on my own health experiences and in life after death after some terrifying run-ins with angry ghosts or entities. I guess I needed proof, or at least evidence. We absolutely need speculative thinkers; without them, we'd still be painting antelope on cave walls. But caveat emptor. Movements in many areas of spirituality have been tainted by spectacular fraud: The Knox sisters in the nineteenth century spawned generations of "table rappers' and charlatan mediums. Frauds want attention and financial gain. You see the same in the New Age movement, in which "masters" (I'm not referring to you Dr. Chopra) promise "enlightenment" for Americans who are willing to pay for it as long as it's easy.
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Posted by Bob Ellal
Correction: I believe that was the Fox sisters.
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
Dearest Deepak, I would like to quote a sentence from your Happiness Prescription, key 4: "An enormous amount of energy becomes available once you give up the need to be right. You can five up your need to defend your point of view. In a state of defenselessness we find invincibility, because there is no longer anything to attack." Perhaps this is the best way after all? Love and happiness from the Heartphone
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Posted by Gyanama
Hi Mieke, And on a lighter note- I take the fifth.........Here is a bit of an idiom, The fifth amendment -which makes up part of our bill of rights, allows us to keep silent so as to not to be abused by those who would try to govern erroneously.... I think I will keep my fingers dancing on smiling closed lips in this conversation, and remain in joyful Peace.... Taking the Fifth on this one... Gyanama
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
Direct experience or intuition is the most divine inner experience one can have. No one will ever be able to take this away from you. I honour this divine experience in you in the same way as I do honour it in myself
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Posted by Rob Hall
Hi Bob: I agree that there has been fraud in some metaphysical areas. I am particularly reminded of Uri Gellar, who tested quite well for psychic abilities under laboratory conditions but after gaining fame and recognition apparently felt compelled to resort to using stage magicians' tricks, and was caught out. But there is fraud in every field, including medicine, the law, insurance, politics, Wall Street - you name it. However, when fraud is found there, people don't tend to try to paint the entire field as a fraud, as they sometimes do with areas in metaphysics. I agree with Dr. Chopra that many of Michael Shermer's positions on metaphysical topics appear unfounded and certainly merit scrutiny and debate, but in the end I'm afraid this may not go anywhere. Shermer is the founding publisher of Skeptic magazine, the executive director of the Skeptics Society, and the host of the "Skeptics Distinguished Science Lecture Series" at Caltech. He has painted himself into a corner about as far as one might do. No matter what evidence may be presented to him, he could not reverse himself without likely disrupting most professional relationships he has and possibly threatening the foundations of the very realities that he and his followers share.
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Posted by Margot Suettmann
Great challenge, Deepak! I love it! Keep us update! Margot
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Posted by Bob Ellal
Rob, Good quote by Sinclair. I think the metaphysical area is more subject to fraud than most as it is the least "proveable." I am a big fan of "Ghost Hunters" and they uncover many anomalies. And I believe in ghosts or entities as I have experienced them. But the evidence won't hold up to scientific method. Often it's not repeatable under controlled conditions. That's a problem. I believe in electrical energy, or chi, flowing through meridians and channels in the body. But that's because I've spent years practicing internal energy exercises and have felt electrical occurrences in my body that I can't explain. Some phenomena one has to experience and may not hold up to repeated lab experiments. So "masters" appear and make phenomenal claims, gain followers and money. Fraud in the spiritual area is the most despicable, as it preys on people's spiritual aspirations. After WWI mediums came back into vogue and preyed upon the families of the generation of young men who were killed in the war. Many were exposed. This goes on today; magicians' tricks. Follow the money. That being said, I know people who study the meditative and internal energy arts for many years (not the measly one-hour a day I practice, either) who gain amazing physiological and sometimes paranormal abilities. But they are not out marketing their abilities. They keep quiet and don't allow their egos to get sidetracked from attaining enlightenment. A Cheyenne writer friend of mine told me about "people of power," shamans in the Native American tradition whose abilities defy explanation. I believe some people are born with paranormal abilities and these tend to run in families. But a tiny percentage of the population. Many people claim psychic abilities because they want to feel special--as we all do to some degree. Then there are a lot of charlatans "shaking their moneymakers."
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Posted by Ed Croucher
The proof of the pudding is in the I ching ;) Nassim Haramein told me. :) Don't waste your time, Deepak. Wagons are rolling ;)
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Posted by Rob Hall
Bob, Thanks for your response. You make many good points. However I will say that, in my experience as a long-time student and then teacher in metaphysics, most of the "fraud" that I have observed in psychic readers and healers has not been intentional or particularly predatory (although the predators are indeed out there), but people who think they have mastered an ability that they actually have not. As you note, some may do it to help make themselves feel special. But they deceive themselves, and therefore their clients as well, even though their intentions may be good and their hearts in the right places. Unfortunately, this again can lead people to believe that the whole field is fraudulent. I don't really know how this may be addressed or resolved, but I do think it's unfortunate. I will disagree with you on one point, as it is my experience that everyone has paranormal abilities (psychic awareness and energy healing abilities). I think it's possible that the experiences that you have had demonstrate that you are already in touch with these abilities to some degree in yourself as well perhaps. Many people on the spiritual path find that these abilities begin to develop naturally simply because they are awakening their spiritual nature. However, my experience is that 1) most people are not aware of this and so do not work to develop them, and 2) the people with strong natural abilities are few and far between. I liken these paranormal abilities to physical muscles: we all have muscles, and we can all work to develop them, and make them stronger in ourselves, but we are not all Arnold Schwarzenegger. Similarly, we cannot all develop our paranormal abilities to the level of the shamans that your friend knew. But I do applaud and encourage all who try to improve themselves in these areas. I personally feel that spiritual development is the greatest adventure we can have, and that it brings us closest to our true essence. Thanks again so much for writing! I hope you are enjoying a wonderful holiday season! Rob
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Posted by Lisa Vanderboom
Hi Deepak - As someone who works at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, I can really empathize with what you are saying. To share a quote that may be surprising to some from one esteemed in the materialist paradigm: "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us... Our task must be to free ourselves..." - Albert Einstein When the challenges get you down, just remember that you are helping people free themselves and sometimes they are afraid to leave the prison even with the doors wide open because it is the only reality they know. Thank you for sticking with it and opening the door for so many! fond regards, Lisa P.S. For those that are not yet aware of us, the Institute of Noetic Sciences (www.noetic.org), is a membership organization that conducts and sponsors leading-edge research into the potentials and powers of consciousness
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Posted by Rob Hall
Hi Lisa - It's a pleasure to see you here. I've been a huge fan of IONS and Dr. Dean Radin for many years. You folks have done so much good work. What a joy it must be to work in such a special and exciting environment! I wish you all much continuing success in all that you do! Rob
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Posted by Ruchira Kitsiri
The urge to respond, defend and prove is always there. But it has long dawned ot me that debates are for school debating teams and does not have much as an outcome except perhaps the stimulations they bring. Hi Meike, nice to see you here. Yes Dr. Chopra let the wagons roll ... Universe is conspiring and it will be a matter of time. Those who conspire against the universal conspirations... time will show them the way... if they are willing! Nice thread and quite encouraging to see so many on a the same path. Tells you what you are here for.
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Posted by Teena Cormack
I posted this to another intent and I think it belongs here, so if it feels familiar, that is why. I have an interesting conundrum. When I first saw you speak back in the 1980's in Edmonton you were a proponent of Transcendental Meditation. I have been following that tradition for 5 years now and I enjoy it very much. The last time I went to a presentation of yours was in Calgary in 2008 and I didn't get the impression that you still follow that tradition. The reason I bring that up is because of your 'woo-woo' blog and 'dare' to Shermer. I heard a physicist speak about the string theory and she also was quite critical of your ideas. Her main argument when I mentioned the ability to 'defy' basic laws of gravity, etc. in a deep meditative state was that there is a standing invitation of $1,000,000 to anyone who can perform those types of feats in a scientific setting and I thought it is strange that offer has not been followed up on to both further science and to donate a sizable sum to a charity or something. Was she wrong about the situation, or has word not gotten out - until now I guess...Thank you. My other question is this: How will 'throwing down the gauntlet' further your intent of peace through thought and word and deed be accomplished? I can only empathize with how frustrating such foolishness must feel. I advised my son, that lowering oneself is necessary to create a level playing field - I know that doesn't sound like 'we're all equal' , but we tend to be at different spiritual places. I have tried hitting that 'teach' wall and I only injure myself. Best care and trust we are all believing in you, no matter what, Namaste, Teena
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Posted by Kay Hankinson
http://www.stayaerusa.org/en/page4_1.html there are many who are also not scared to go a litlle ' woo woo' :)
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Posted by Tarryn Katz
I would love to see a debate based on science, but perhaps it's a waste of time. "For those who believe no explaination is necessary. For those who do not believe none will surffice"
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Posted by Rob Hall
Hi Teena, You said: "I heard a physicist speak about the string theory and she also was quite critical of your ideas. Her main argument when I mentioned the ability to 'defy' basic laws of gravity, etc. in a deep meditative state was that there is a standing invitation of $1,000,000 to anyone who can perform those types of feats in a scientific setting and I thought it is strange that offer has not been followed up on to both further science and to donate a sizable sum to a charity or something. Was she wrong about the situation, or has word not gotten out - until now I guess...Thank you." I think this probably refers to the highly promoted claim of magician James Randi to pay one million dollars for a demonstrable act of paranormal abilities. Please note that the James Randi Foundation actually *boasts* on their website that they have never allowed anyone to progress to an actual test of abilities. Randi has also been famously heard to say "I always have a way out!" More importantly, however, the Randi challenge means nothing evidence-wise. Even if 10,000 people took the challenge and failed, that doesn't mean that the 10,001 person wouldn't succeed. It's anecdotal evidence at best. My opinion is that Randi only makes the offer for purposes of self-promotion, and not to contribute to the scientific database. As above poster Lisa Vanderboom will probably confirm, in his book "The Conscious Universe" Dr. Dean Radin stated, regarding Randi and Uri Gellar, "They are actually so *irrelevant* to the scientific evaluation of psi that not a single experiment involving either person is included among the thousand studies reviewed in the meta-analyses." And also greetings to Tarryn Katz: You said that you "would love to see a debate based on science, but perhaps it's a waste of time." It's not necessarily a waste of time, but the scientific methods to be employed might require a lot of discussion and negotiation. My understanding is that the old "scientific method" relies on Newtonian physics, which we know are insufficient. They do not account for wave-particle theory, or where photons go when they are not present in this universe, or where "thoughts" come from. So my thought is that this paradigm may not be sufficient to generate testing methods appropriate for metaphysical theories. It's something to think about, anyway. Rob
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Posted by Teena Cormack
Thank you Rob. Your explanation clarifies a great deal. I though she said Rand, so I am delighted I simply mis-heard or there is a simple pronunciation difference. I have a difficult time understanding a profound meditation skill as paranormal activity; but there you have it I guess. Again, my thanks. Namaste, Teena
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Posted by Kay Hankinson
Jack Sarfatti http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/sar.html probably has some interesting things to share http://www.stardrive.org/title.shtml
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Posted by Kay Hankinson
@ Ed your microtubules from the above link :) Stuart Hameroff was apparently the first man to suggest that microtubules are the real Seat of The Soul. Each hydrophobically caged electron dipole antenna (click for picture) is a qubit in a nanoscale quantum dot. We have a billion billion of them enslaved by coherent near electromagnetic brain fields of low frequency as shown by Francis Crick in "The Astonishing Hypothesis". This forms the mind-brain hologram of Bohm and Pribram. There is direct back-reaction of the coherent phased array of single electron dipoles on their mental pilot landscape field. This generates our inner conscious experience at a rate HN = 10 Hz where H = R^-1dR/dt, R is the FRW scale of our expanding universe, H = 10^-17 sec^-1 is the cosmological Hubble parameter of the local comoving flow in which the cosmic blackbody microwave background is isotropic to 10^-5, and N = 10^18 is our qubit capacity. http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/?CFID=5383758&CFTOKEN=25405410
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Posted by Kay Hankinson
From a personal point of view I am not worried about people who are skeptical or don't believe but more interested in seeing that the people who do believe or have a very open mind about the subject and seriously want to investigate consciousness, spirit and science join forces- no matter what their talents or experiences in this field. Skeptism makes the other side gets its act together and present its case with integrity and honesty so skeptism forms a good counter balance as far as I can see - stops the weirdos and frauds from running riot with a serious study :)
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Posted by Kay Hankinson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendent_Man_(film) would like to see this - has anyone seen it yet ? OK no I see it is due for release only in 2010
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Posted by patriwind
Hi Deepak... Wouldn't the best response to such attitudes be to just gently ignore??? personally i'm kind of surprised you need to to this...
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Posted by eva marianova
Dear Deepak, I will only use one of your quotes: "When you blame and criticize others,you are avoiding some truth about yourself" But I cannot resist to note add the C.J.Keyser's quote as my message to Shermer&Co: "Absolute certainty is a privilege of uneducated minds and fanatics" Much Love & Unconditional Support
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Posted by Margot Suettmann
I would sooo much enjoy this kind of discussion with Michael Shermer. I hope he will accept the challenge as sooo much knowledge will come out of it. I would LOVE to learn more about how you will bring forward your arguments and replies using only science as you promised. Even if Michael shiess away from it, let us hear what you have in your quiver. It will be sooo exciting! Will help to lay the foudnation for a new paradigm.
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Posted by Ed Croucher
Those microtubules, Kay, quite the necessary protected environment, which can allow for quantum effects and an interface with hyperspace which releases us from this incomplete fumbling with a 4D perception. ;) Can you see how they pick up on our intent and feed it to the Singularity which timelessly and holodynamicly reconfigures this projected hologram of Time/Space for our delectation! Best make sure our intents are holodynamic, too ;)
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Posted by Kay Hankinson
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Posted by Kay Hankinson
Honestly Ed I cannot answer you because I am ( huge laughter ) what is known as being scientifically challenged. ! What I do feel is that we all have a ' quantum guru ' in us - does this make sense ? This Guru isn't localized in time or space .. if you don't open your awareness to see * it * you probably will not become aware of * it * In other words I suppose that I am saying that * it * doesn't exist until you look for it :) EDIT at the moment everyone is objectifying knowing and knowledge aren't they - they are searching and looking for * IT *. What I am working with now is becoming the knowledge in the same way that the dancer becomes the dance and the hunter becomes the hunted. In Buddhism this would be akin to that ' sword- man ' Manjushri I suppose. Knowledge creates the knowers ....? ** IT ** = non localized ( Quantum version ) of YOU EDIT: always the same thing happens - we think that it is something external or other than our own being.. when it is not and is us .. we think that knowledge is something that we attain .. but perhaps we only have to realize ( enlightenment is realized and not attained ) that we ARE the knowledge we seek and we ARE as gods but have forgotten our inheritance ? It isn't acceptable to think that one is a ' god' within GOD :) But I am old enough not to worry about what people think :)
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Posted by Michael Prues
As a species we have realized many things, but what we don't know is far greater than what do know. We don't know or understand what 96% of the universe is made of, hence the nomenclature dark matter and energy. We know that there has to be a sentient being observing in order for "stuff" to exist. What consciousness is and why it is so innate to reality, we have no idea. It is ironic that the hubris and righteousness of the mechanistic camp is slowly being depleted by science. The science that provided their pedestal is the same science that will crumble it. Science is evolving in concert with us and what it reveals will continue to bridge the gap between the two. The involuntary evolutionary pursuit of knowing our true nature and the universe will continue through imagination and creativity just as it always had. That is the difference between the material and woo woo, one holds on to a conditioned past, the other integrates the wisdom of the past with the potential uncertainty of the future. I think Ed and Kay are in a dimension of their own! In time, I would like to enter and understand that world...
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Posted by rann bae
Hi Deepak, Gee, Deepak, you write, "Pope, Mahatma Gandhi, St. Teresa of Avila, Buddha,"......listing the Pope along with these other three hmmm, not in my book... anyway, I did catch you on Larry King and your glasses and tee shirt were quite hip, I thought, sparkly glasses, I might have to get me a pair. I didn't hang around to hear the dialogue though because my feeling about life after death is this......no matter the evidence or the argument all one can do is leave open the possibility if one chooses because I feel it is likened to an awakening to one's true Nature, you can read about, hear about, talk about it, but until you awaken you are not going to know it, period. You cannot awaken for me, that little boy who is claiming to remember his past llife and death is truly an awesome possibility but still it leaves me with nothing to go on as far as proof I can take to the bank, meaning I cannot know just because he is telling me. Life after death, an awesome possibility or probabiity and I think that is all it will every be, no matter the evidence or arguement. Really, I think most people leave an opening, not buying the skeptics arguments or the woo woo's arguments, and remember, that very old saying from the pre-school playground..."sticks and stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me."....:)))rann