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Posted by Bob Ellal
"I am become Death." Certainly Oppenheimer was aghast. But what does one do when the world is under constant threat from Islamic fundamentalists--the nut who runs Iran, for example? We can't invade every country ruled by repressive governments. The war in the Mid-east have practically broken our backs. Only the threat of nuclear annihalation keeps them in check. Until all men are like Jesus or Buddha, the rest of us have to keep our swords sharp.
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Posted by Jasmina
Prevent them to use it against you. But this is insanity. "a profound psychological fear and a desire to control"....because no one could win a nuclear war. And what about accidents? It is not just threat that keeps them in check. "God told me, He didn't want the world to die".-computer engineer who realized the mistakenly shown "fake/computer nuclear attack". " we are living in one room".
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Posted by Jasmina
referring to"the insanity of the prevention mentality"..
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Posted by Bob Ellal
I don't like it--but that's the world we live in. It's been that way since the first metallugist figured out to add tin to copper--and make swords that wouldn't bend. Who knows? Perhaps man's consciousness will one day change. But it would require a fundamental change in the brain. I suppose we could all join hands and sing "I'd like to buy the world a Coke." That just resulted in a better bottom line for Coca-Cola. Deepak's main intent is to have 100 million people join him in nonviolence in thought and action. Bit egotistical, I think. He's not Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tsu, Ghandi or Martin Luther King. None of them have changed man's fundamental nature. Some have changed; certainly I have to a degree. But one can't ignore reality.
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Posted by Tarryn Katz
Too true Bob!
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Posted by Jasmina
Non-violence in thought and action is not saying you are any of those people( although they were men, just like Deepak). I practice non-violence. That's not to say that I would not protect my family from harm, of course I would. Nuclear weapons are very different from other weapons ( a sword, for example) in that there is nothing that stops the radiation from polluting more than its surrounding environment, it lasts for thousands of years and would a war using these weapons would destroy life as we know it. We know other countries have them. There has to be someone taking a first step towards non-proliferation. It is a dialogue that we attempt. Non-violence isn't static. It is a work in process. We need to start trying to understand the root of the problems we face, to untangle them. Hate only begets more hate. Ps. I don't drink brown sugar water, that is part of the problem.
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
I wonder how much feminine energy is needed to eliminate nuclear weapons? And I mean feminine energy in every One of us, male and female. Or could it just be in the scheme of things or in our evolution that we will have to in the end anyway? As long as we still judge from our own position only, we will not set a step further.
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Posted by rann bae
Hello all, This global security expert knows that the only way this world will decide to disarm itself of nuclear weapons is when those weapons have done enough damage to our behinds where we realize that if we EVEN desire to keep our global beinds in one piece then we had better disarm ourselves, and not one minute before. We humans, for the most part, love our nuclear weapons otherwise they would have been gone by now. Until then the "peaceniks" will peacenik and the arms industry will keep designing more and better ways to weaponize our globe. Sorry, but I have been around addicts and addiction and know first hand that very few addicts will offer to go through the detox one minute before they absolutely have to....and the human global family is a family of addicts and addictions with war and weaponry being a top three addiction.
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
As long as we keep judging from our own point of view we will never set the next step. If we allow another's point of view as a basis for positive criticism, then we have set the first step into the right direction. There is a weak force in Nature that has not been considered important enough by the scientists to study. This IS the energy that keeps everything together.
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Posted by Michael Prues
Amen Mieke. As a species we have come a long way in recognizing our interdependent inseparateness. If one looks at history unbiasedly, we see the more we've evolved in complexity, there has been more cooperation and peace in the world. Yes, there is much more work to do in order for us to exist beyond war. But I'm optimistic the auspicious whole-minded peaceniks can stay ahead of the curve of the pessimistic and antagonistic mindsets that keep so many from knowing they are Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tsu, Ghandi or Martin Luther King. There have been many growing pains in our evolution and their still exist in us the Hitlers, Stalins and Husseins, but the more we understand the nature of reality, the more we will understand there is no disparate world outside ourselves. Through healing and education in science, especially the evidence from quantum mechanics, we will recognize that everything is One. All nations, religions, races, and cultures know of the destructive behavior of people when seeing the world from the surface of life as being separate. Fortunately, there are many on the planet like our President and all those who have healed the divide in the past, that know the deeper real reality of existence as One. Those who conform to a conditioned way of seeing is what keeps them from allowing the creative intelligence that gives rise to everything from doing its job of manifesting in their lives the true nature of being that is Love and Light as One. As long as we continue as a species to see the inherent value of creativity and keep facing towards the eternal horizon, I'm optimistic for the prognosis of the planet. Love, Michael
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
Yes Michael and to say it with your main intent: "To remember that consciousness is a process" A creative process :) Love from Mieke
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Posted by : Diablo
"Posted by Mieke van der Poll on Sunday, January 31st, 2010 ... I wonder how much feminine energy is needed to eliminate nuclear weapons?" a majority in charge of world governments, heartphone!
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
Then it is high time to implement that remedy :)
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Posted by : Diablo
suicide bombers yearn to be in the arms of 72 virgins...wow! heaven must be teeming with an untouched feminine population...and why wud they want monsterous muslim mass killers anyway? when better suitors may be available? damn!
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
Diablo, improving the world always starts with yourself instead of judging others from your own point of view.
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Posted by : Diablo
damn!
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Posted by Bob Ellal
I don't know if there was a mythic time in the past when the "Divine Feminine" was worshipped. Some have claimed that was the case 7,000 years ago, before the patriarchical invaders swept in from India. Unfortunately, no written records exist of that time. So people can speculate endlessly. Who knows? Indira Ghandi and Golda Meir were more hard-line than many of their male counterparts. It's one thing to embrace non-violence personally. Unfortunately in the realm of geo-politics one must rattle one's saber continously. Neville Chamberlain embraced "peace in our time." And let Hitler eat up the Sudatenland and Czechoslovakia. Which gave the dictator carte blance to invade Poland. As George Costanza said, "Hitler could've held Chamberlain's head in the toilet and he still would've given him half of Europe."
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
The Etruskan civilization in Italy? According to investigations that seemed to be a matriarchal society. There are more books about other matriarchal societies too. A new science is developing very quickly the past years called Geo-science. I know from someone in my country who is studying this very old civilization in nature and the surroundings itself.
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Posted by Ed Croucher
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Posted by Bob Ellal
Mieke, I've never studied the Etruscans; but from what I know they were certainly warlike. I believe ancient Egypt was a matriarchical society, in that legitimacy was established through the matrilineal line. Yet male pharoahs ruled almost exclusively. And the Egyptians were certainly warlike conquerors. Tracing one's lineage matrilineally was essentially practical, as one always knows whose one mother is, but before DNA testing could never quite be sure whose one's father was (Tiger Woods mentality). I believe the ancient Celts operated the same way; yet they were certainly warlike as their migrations from the East overran Europe. And throughout history are many examples of female rulers who were war leaders e.g. Boadicca and Cleopatra. Power corrupts, of course. I don't think women are immune to this. In my few years in the corporate world, I was appalled by the Macchiavelian machinations of both men and women in their quest for advancement and power. Certainly the women were as ruthless as the men. Perhaps the structure of a corporation, or a govenment, demands such qualities.
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
Am more for a balance between the male and female energies. Don't you think the male energy has been rather dominant in the past century? But it is true this is a consciousness every one will encounter in the process of life in a natural way. I do not think it has something to do with power unless you speak of the power within yourself. Am very grateful to Eva Maria Nova who has described the way we have been fed history in a most brilliant way: we have always been 'indoctrinated' with the way how to survive. She found out another way : "how to exist"?. I think this is a brilliant idea and we can start approaching history in a whole new way and look at the other side of the medal too. Here is a link to sacral geo-science that may help us find the balance between survival and exist: http://www.second-congress-matriarchal-studies.com/lecturers.html For me this is a whole new way of looking at our own western history and it has to do with the labyrinth too so you could say I am in my element here again :)
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Posted by Ed Croucher
It is the perceived difference between the male and female which rules. It's a maelstrom? 'It will draw you farther than gunpowder can blow you'....me grandpa said ;) What is the draw? Can it be tweaked towards a less violent sum total of feedback events? We need to probe deep for this. We can trigger earthquakes. Can we avoid them? God knows and Shiva certainly didn't take the vow! Can the Earth move for you? *EAT H D searches for yin
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
Yes this is my dream. Not for nothing am a Libra :) A little bit of give, a little bit of take....... By the way, Deepak is a Libra too!
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
me, am going to study this site: http://www.gift-economy.com/read_main.html Because it is a synchronistical continuation of my intention as a volunteer on the I Take the Vow site of the Global Generosity Exchange project we have been discussing at the Alliance for a New Humanity. Maybe I can take it to the next level and conquer the Earth in a peaceful way :) My (almost) thirty day intents here have certainly provided me with the necessary steps to proceed. Love from Mieke
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Posted by Bob Ellal
Certainly it would be a better world if all of us--men and women--could strike a balance between our masculine and feminine aspects. But as I've said, I think that any man or woman in a position of power has--and always has--to rely on war for self-preservation. The mention of the Iroquois constitution in your link, Mieke, is instructive. A matrilineal society--and very warlike. Perhaps it was a better world in the distant past when our feminine aspects were much more highly prized; I know that when I do my "serious" writing on writers' sites my feminine, intuitive aspects come to the fore. I believe our feminine aspects are more intuitive, and certainly women rely on these qualities more than men. Certainly women are as tough as men. I recall my ex-wife's birthing of our sons: She was in labor for more than a day with our first--natural childbirth. Our second son tipped the scales at 11 pounds; a heavy load for a petite woman less than five feet two. She was in agony. I sat by her in a chair like an idiot, counseling her to "breathe." When it was all over I joked: "What are you complaining about--at least you got to lay down through this whole thing. I had to sit in this uncomfortable chair!" She didn't think it was the least bit funny.
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Posted by Mieke van der Poll
Yes, sounds familiar in your last paragraph :) Why does politics have to rely so much on power? We here in my country will soon find out. At the moment 3 parties rule our democracy but it is slowly but surely scattering around in so many parties that neither of them will gain a majority anymore in the next election. So that will give a whole other situation. A government of a minority? In Denmark they have such a system, already for years. Two parties ruling and the third party is the party of the people who do have a large role in advising and regulating. Seems to work. Guess most of it is just in our scheme of evolution and the weak force (intelligence, intuition) becoming more important.
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Posted by : Diablo
is that u, granpa? hehe!
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sitting at the beach with beverage on hand!