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Meditation and Krishnamurti


Question:
What do you think of J.Krishnamurti's "idea" that meditation cannot be taught?
Also doesn't conforming to methods of meditation (TM & PM) laid down remove the whole point of meditation?
 
Answer:
Krishnamurti’s comment has the valuable effect of making us look at a deeper understanding of meditation. Obviously on a mundane level of interpretation, meditation has be successfully taught for thousands of years and continues to be.
 
I think the deeper point is that when the mind goes beyond its conditioning and experiences its own pure nature during meditation, that is not something that one does or can be taught, in the sense that it is you simply being you without anything else. To try to do anything or to try to apply information that you have been taught would only complicate and get in the way of the singularity of the experience. So the actual experience of one’s essential nature is not mediated nor can it be mediated with any other mental content.
 
But when one is taught to meditate using a mantra or any other vehicle, the point is clearly made that the mantra is simply a tool that allows the natural tendency of the mind to go beyond itself and experience its true nature. It is useful to take us out of our conditioned awareness that is habituated to localized sensory awareness, to be neutral. In that neutrality, then innate pull of consciousness to expand into self-awareness is what then accomplishes the transcendence. That part of meditation is not taught it happens by virtue of our inner nature. However, being taught the use of a mantra sets up the preconditions that make that experience more available. Without learning to meditate, very few individuals are lucky enough to be able to regularly experience their unconditioned self.
 
Love,
Deepak
Comments (7)
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Posted by Garima :)
Thank you Dr. Deepak, for this clarity into the question.Although I have not asked this question but it has helped me learn this difference between which part of meditation can be taught and which part is your own journey. I can only be amazed at how you answer complicated questions with so much clarity. It is too difficult to put such explanations into correct words.
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Posted by Rajesh Sharma
Thank you Deepak!
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Posted by Bob Ellal
Thank you Dr. Chopra for your insights. I have been practicing standing post meditation for 15 years. It helped me survive four bouts of bone cancer, including two bone marrow transplants, between 1991 and 1996. I practice every day, and I believe it has kept me cancer-free for the last 12-plus years. During my struggles with cancer, I would hold the posture for an hour or more every day. I noticed that during the latter stages of the hour, my awareness would disappear for periods of time and I would reach what the Chinese masters call the place of "thought of no thoughts." Which is a paradox, of course. But if it could be talked about, everyone would've told his brother. Now that I'm older, my knees have deteriorated (karate and football damage) and I can only hold the posture for a half-hour at a time. And I don't reach the place of thought of no thoughts. Which disturbs me, as it's the best place in the universe to be. I'm glad to see meditation being discussed. You can talk alll day about the power of intent. But without meditation, intent is meaningless. It's what Chinese martial artists describe as "flower fist and brocade kick." It means your movements look pretty, but they have no power. I just posted a blog called "The Law of Attraction--'Secret' B.S. That's my take on that idea and the New Age movement in general. The New Age movement takes ancient ideas, grossly oversimplifies them, removes the hard work from them, then markets them to a spiritually-deprived modern world. What happened to books like "Quantum Healing," by Dr. Chopra, which so inspired me to defeat a terminal illness?
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Posted by Adriana Ochoa
As always thank youuuu! I love my primordial sound meditation and in fact for the first 5 years I used my mantra always -probably doing it by the book, as taught-. This last year something changed and I thought I was being a rebel with my wonderful mantra. Now I understand that; the fear of experiencing the unconditioned self has gone. I feel wonderful about it. Thank you again Love Adriana
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Posted by Goddess Lily Seymour
Below are a few of my favorite quotes of Deepak
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Posted by Sara Jane Lowry
I've been reading Krishnamurti's book, "As One Is: Freeing the Mind from all Conditioning" and Dr. Chopra clearly explains the intent of Krishnamurti to allow us to truly be, not in a striving place, a place that we determine ahead that we wish to arrive at, but to simply be where we are, and to observe our mind, our thoughts, our aches. It has made my meditation practice more joyful in releasing myself from achieving an outcome. The practice, and it is the practice that is important, allows us to be more mindful in our everyday living, rather than the conditioning/practice of losing ourselves to our thoughts and emotional highs and lows, but instead to be present and aware.
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Posted by Stuart Berlin
Namaste and Shalom, Meditation is a wonderful subject to discuss. I truly believe that it is the road to humanity's survival and ongoing development versus extinction and continued suffering. What is particularly beautiful about meditation is how many different paths there are. Truly a path for each of us. Rabbi Nachman of Breztlov taught that every person has the capability of learning to meditate. He taught that people should go out into the fields where reeds grow wild. He said this because the Hebrew word for reeds was so close to the Hebrew word for soul. Walking amongst the reeds would stimulate your soul and all you would need to do is listen. This was the first kind of meditation I learned. As I became more open and more receptive the Schechinah gave me my own meditative mantra. As time has gone on my mantra has grown and includes a phrase in Sanskrit as well as two phrases in Hebrew. My path of Tantric Kabbalah is very unique in that it combines sexuality and meditation. They do not have to be done together. The meditation is always sexual because it is about union but no physical action is necessary only an action of the soul. The Divine Union of Tiferet and Schechinah, of the Divine Male and Divine Female Conscious Energies is accomplished through human action at the level of the soul. The great suffering in the world today is the result of Patriarchal Religions removing the Divine Feminine from our consciousness and claiming that the Divine Male energy is all that is needed. Listen to your own soul and the Divine message that comes to you as you open in meditation and listen to other's experiences from their meditation. love and light, Stuart http://stuartmarkberlin.com 805 857 9317